Mark D Segal

Mark D Segal

Toronto, ON

Mark has been making photographs for the past six decades and started adopting a digital workflow in 1999 first with scanning film, then going fully digital in 2004. He has worked with a considerable range of software, equipment, materials and techni...
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Stopped – Filter Failed

If you use a Mac computer and a recent version of MacOS (not a Windows problem) and you’ve been frustrated by the inability to print a photo because of the error message in Figure 1, you are not alone. There is a...

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Red River Palo Duro Baryta Fiber 300

Red River Palo Duro Baryta Fiber 300 (RRPDBF) A Recent Addition to the Baryta-based Luster Papers and M3 Redux This paper appeared on the market earlier in 2020. I started into the review soon after that, but several aspects of the profiling,...

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Canson Baryta Photographique II

Canson Infinity Baryta Photographique II (CBP2) Readers who print their photographs on papers containing baryta (barium sulfate) know that starting around November of last year certain favorite brands of this paper started to disappear from the market – Ilford Gold Fibre Silk,...

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    Epson SC P900 – how to print Gold Fibre Silk?
    on: November 20, 2020 at 11:38 pm

    You are welcome.

    Mark D Segal
    Author: Scanning Workflows with SilverFast 8, SilverFast HDR, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom and Adobe Photoshop, published by LaserSoft Imaging AG
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    Re: Epson SC P900 – how to print Gold Fibre Silk?
    Reply #1 on: November 20, 2020 at 9:07 pm

    George, if I remember correctly, the difference between Premium Luster Photo Paper and Ultra Premier Photo Paper Luster is that the latter is a bit lighter weighing 240 g/m^2 versus 260 for the former. Otherwise, same coating. I believe they should be interchangeable for purposes of selecting a Media Type.

    When you created the new Canson Platine Media in the Epson Media Installer (EMI), you would have done so by copying an existing Epson Media Type – let us say you selected Ultra Premium Photo Paper Luster (as you should have per Canson recommendation); that operation also gave you the option to associate an ICC profile with this newly created  Media Type, which would have been Canson’s Platine Fiber Rag profile. So what you should have in EMI is the Ultra Premium Luster Media Type copy now named as Canson Platine Fiber Rag and associated with the Canson Platine Fibre Rag ICC profile, which amounts to the same combo as what Canson recommended. Having done that, this combo is automatically registered in both the Printer LCD and the Epson driver Media Type list under the name Canson Platine Fiber Rag if that’s the name you gave it. When you select that Media in either place, the profile goes along with it. So everything should be automatically consistent. Now, this does not mean that the profile is any good or that their recommended Epson Media Type for it is appropriate. Those are separate issues from whether you got their recommendation properly set-up in EMI. That’s where to start. If the set-up in EMI is correct and you are still getting crummy prints, it could be that their profile is not very good. You may wish to consider a custom profile in that case.

    As for their recommendation of Rendering Intent, they probably recommend this because most ICC profiles for inkjet printers by default are created in Perceptual Intent. You can disregard that. These rendering intents are different approaches for dealing with out of gamut (OOG) colour, and they can have differing effects on print appearance depending on the severity of the OOG issue. Relative Colorimetric brings OOG colours to the gamut boundary largely leaving the remaining colours unadjusted (save for adjustments relative to the white point), while Perceptual moves in-gamut colour values to kind of proportionately amend their positioning relative to the effect of bringing in the OOG colours. This is an artistic decision to be made in LR before printing. Flip back and forth between the two in the Develop Module under soft-proofing to see which you think makes your picture look better and use that.

    Mark D Segal
    Author: Scanning Workflows with SilverFast 8, SilverFast HDR, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom and Adobe Photoshop, published by LaserSoft Imaging AG
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    Re: Epson SC P900 – how to print Gold Fibre Silk?
    Reply #2 on: November 20, 2020 at 3:08 pm

    No problem George – gotta push my head above water from time to time anyhow. I’m well into it and hope to finish-up pretty soon. It’s getting there…….quite a bit of stuff to cover from that diminutive-looking beast of a printer.

    Mark D Segal
    Author: Scanning Workflows with SilverFast 8, SilverFast HDR, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom and Adobe Photoshop, published by LaserSoft Imaging AG
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    Re: Epson SC P900 – how to print Gold Fibre Silk?
    Reply #3 on: November 20, 2020 at 8:58 am

    Hi George – I figured you probably were doing all the steps correctly, but I wanted to lay it out anyhow because sometimes the obvious befuddles us and it’s good to make sure we’re all on the same understanding re the procedures that produced the poor results. It very often boils down to profiles. Premium Luster Photo Paper is full of OBAs and has a feint cold cast, so I normally avoid it completely. But, if the profile provider has keyed their profile to that product, then it should be used because the profile will not perform as calculated if it is keyed on one media type in its making and another in its use. Even so, it can still be a poor profile. The question you raise about whether it matters that between the printer and the application there are different media types for the same profile is a good one. I frankly don’t know the answer to it, but I shall try to find out and revert here with an answer if I get one.

    Mark D Segal
    Author: Scanning Workflows with SilverFast 8, SilverFast HDR, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom and Adobe Photoshop, published by LaserSoft Imaging AG
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    Re: Epson SC P900 – how to print Gold Fibre Silk?
    Reply #4 on: November 19, 2020 at 8:45 pm

    When printing from Lightroom, start with “Print Settings” bottom left button beside “Page Setup”. That opens the Epson driver. Migrate to Printer Settings in that panel, and for Media Type select the correct Media type for the paper you are using. If the Canson profile is keyed to Premium Luster Photo Paper, use that as the Media Type. Click Save, exit that dialog and go to the bottom right of the Lightroom Print interface, where you can choose your profile. Select your Canson profile from those listed in the profile selection pane. If it does not show, you need to Click “Other” at the bottom of the list. It opens the profiles list on your hard drive. Place a check mark beside the Canson profile. It will then load into Lightroom and be the selected profile for this print. Then at the very bottom right in Lightroom Print interface, click the “Printer” button. This again pulls up the Epson driver. Migrate to printer settings and make sure the correct Media Type is still selected. If so, click Print and Lightroom will instruct the Color Management System to process the data using the correct profiles.

    If you have not printed with the Canson Platine Fibre Rag profile before, it could be that you are doing all the above correctly as stated, but the profile is not great – I don’t whether it is or not because I haven’t tested it – just saying it’s possible.  To run a check on that possibility, use the Epson profile for Epson Legacy Platine and see whether the results improve.

    Mark D Segal
    Author: Scanning Workflows with SilverFast 8, SilverFast HDR, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom and Adobe Photoshop, published by LaserSoft Imaging AG
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