NFTs, the way of the future?

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  • Vieri Bottazzini
    Vieri Bottazzini
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    NFTs, the way of the future?
    on: September 23, 2023 at 4:38 pm

    Gentlemen,

    NFT is not just the pfp collections mentioned by the article, and by Kevin (the Trump’s one). NFT is a way of commercialise (buy & sell) things, in particular art (digital art, photography, etc).

    As such, NFTs have been bought and sold at Sotheby’s and other mainstream auction venues and they keep to do so. They have been exhibited in hundreds of physical exhibitions all over the world. They are part of mainstream collections such as, e.g., the MoMA, and so on.

    As such, NFTs gave an outlet to a market to artists and photographers coming from countries where accessing the art and photography market would have been impossible. Hell, even in Italy or – I am sure – in the US getting into the “traditional” art market it’s not really that easy, if you don’t have the right connections.

    The NFT market for art & photography, not pfp collections, is still very much alive – albeit not booming as it was a couple of years ago. Mainstream media just lost interest and moved on, except for the odd article like the one Jeremy quoted, which again just focuses on the pfp side of NFT – which has always been as the article pointed out, with the only difference that during the boom years many people made (and other lost) an inordinate amount of money buying and selling monkeys (and similar ridiculous things, of which the Trump one was one of the last and most ridiculous ones, if you ask me).

    NFT are here to stay, pretty much the same way that digital photography did when it came out – and you might remember how, at first, many ridiculed it, many didn’t embrace it, many didn’t take it serious and so on. A vast majority of those photographers who did not embrace digital when it became a viable alternative to film went out of business.

    Like with any new thing that comes along, and disrupts the status quo, there always are people embracing the new, people refusing to do so, people getting burned by doing one thing or the other, people ignoring the whole thing, and so on.

    Like with any new thing that comes along and disrupts the status quo, NFTs are very polarising.

    About my very very small personal experience with NFT, I sold enough photographs to be happy I joined the movement when I did, in 2021. Just to mention one small thing, NFT sales are paying for the 4 month trip non-stop around the world I am currently on. I am very happy to still be in the space, despite the market slowing down. I made connections there with other artists that I cherish. I have been exposed to a million of new ideas, new art, new photography, new business strategies, new marketing strategies, and so on, and I learned a lot as a result.

    As always, YMMV, to me all that counts is that one is happy with one decisions and choices in life, and that everyone’s choices – no matter how different from our own – are always respected. Sadly, that’s something that doesn’t always happen, even in the best communities, and that can easily be seen when it comes to NFTs as well.

    Best regards,

    Vieri

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    Kevin Raber
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    Re: NFTs, the way of the future?
    Reply #1 on: September 23, 2023 at 6:21 pm

    Vieri, I have always deeply respected what you do as well as your photography.  I am usually one of the early adopters when something new comes by.  NFT though just didn’t make sense.  I am very happy it has worked for you and will stay open to revisiting it again.  Maybe as I get older I really am getting old fashioned.  I have always had to have something tangible.  I love selling prints and you can hold them, see them.  

    As a result of your reply I will look into the NFT market again.

    Jeremy Roussak
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    Reply #2 on: September 24, 2023 at 6:35 am

    How can an NFT be “exhibited”? MoMA offered visitors the chance to acquire an NFT which commemorated their visit to an exhibition (see here) but an NFT itself is an entry in a ledger; it has no corporeal existence and can’t be seen.

    The comment “my very very small personal experience with NFT, I sold enough photographs to be happy” is puzzling. What exactly did you sell?

    Those who enter into schemes, of various kinds, early in their existence often make money: Madoff’s initial investors had no complaints. It’s the later arrivals who feel the pain.

    Jeremy

    Vieri Bottazzini
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    Reply #3 on: September 24, 2023 at 6:50 am

    How can an NFT be “exhibited”? MoMA offered visitors the chance to acquire an NFT which commemorated their visit to an exhibition (see here) but an NFT itself is an entry in a ledger; it has no corporeal existence and can’t be seen.

    The comment “my very very small personal experience with NFT, I sold enough photographs to be happy” is puzzling. What exactly did you sell?

    Those who enter into schemes, of various kinds, early in their existence often make money: Madoff’s initial investors had no complaints. It’s the later arrivals who feel the pain.

    Jeremy

    Jeremy,

    an NFT is an entry in a ledger with an image attached, and that image is what is exhibited.

    Nothing puzzling about my comment: I sold my photos as NFTs.

    I am not sure I like your tone and your Madoff /scheme innuendo. There are hundreds of artists and photographers who sell their work as NFTs, as they would as prints, and we do not scheme or do anything of that sort. As I said before, pfp are one thing, artists and photographer a completely different thing.

    Kevin, since you are reading this, kindly make sure the tone here stays civil and respectful, thank you.

    Best regards,

    Vieri

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    Vieri Bottazzini
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    Reply #4 on: September 24, 2023 at 6:54 am

    Vieri, I have always deeply respected what you do as well as your photography. I am usually one of the early adopters when something new comes by. NFT though just didn’t make sense. I am very happy it has worked for you and will stay open to revisiting it again. Maybe as I get older I really am getting old fashioned. I have always had to have something tangible. I love selling prints and you can hold them, see them.

    As a result of your reply I will look into the NFT market again.

    Hey Kevin,

    thank you for your kind words, truly appreciated. NFT can definitely not be easy to get into and I can understand the puzzlement (as we can clearly see in this thread, you are not the only one).

    Basically, the short of it is that it’s another way to sell digital images, done on the blockchain. If you (and others reading this thread) are interested, the web is full of information on how this works in practice, for photography and other visual arts.

    Best regards,

    Vieri

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    Jeremy Roussak
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    Reply #5 on: September 24, 2023 at 6:56 am

    In that case, what was exhibited was the image, not the NFT. They are not the same thing.

    What you sold was an NFT which represented ownership of a photograph, not a photograph. They are not the same thing.

    There was nothing objectionable in my comment: re-read it. Those who make money by investing in schemes which later turn out to be bad are not themselves de facto guilty of any wrongdoing at all.

    Jeremy

    Vieri Bottazzini
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    Reply #6 on: September 24, 2023 at 4:24 pm

    In that case, what was exhibited was the image, not the NFT. They are not the same thing.

    What you sold was an NFT which represented ownership of a photograph, not a photograph. They are not the same thing.

    There was nothing objectionable in my comment: re-read it. Those who make money by investing in schemes which later turn out to be bad are not themselves de facto guilty of any wrongdoing at all.

    Jeremy

    Oh man. Whatever, Jeremy, have it your way – sorry, but I am not interested in doing this.

    Best regards,

    Vieri

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    Jeremy Roussak
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    Re: NFTs, the way of the future?
    Reply #7 on: September 28, 2023 at 3:46 am

    The Vast Majority of NFTs are Worthless

    “Of the 73,257 NFT collections we identified, an eye-watering 69,795 of them have a market cap of 0 Ether (ETH).”

    Hmm.

    Jeremy

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