New series Epson Printers!

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  • Rand Scott Adams
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    New series Epson Printers!
    on: February 29, 2020 at 10:27 pm

    Very nice setup, Rand! Did the printer arrive fully crated, or just strapped down onto a pallet? How did you get it from the truck to where you set it up?

    Does that printer have a separate MK head, or do you still have to switch blacks depending on paper type?

    BTW, your 16-35 lens is still going strong, but on an A7R3 now…

    Tom,

    Hey!  Good to hear the A-mount is still alive and kicking!

    The printer was in a large modular, heavy duty, cardboard box with some significant hard styrofoam form fitting pieces, all strapped  on a big wooden pallet.  I purchased from B&H w/ free delivery via ABF freight, who provided “white glove” service and actually brought it down from the semi-truck and right in my front door!  I was very pleased.  I’d cleared out my living room down to the fake-wood floors and had the pallet on an upside-down entry-way rug – so it slid right into the middle of the room for unpacking.   I had four friends who volunteered their time to come and help lift it onto the leg/stand assembly once I had that screwed together.  I was impressed with the quality of the packaging, and the completeness of instructions for assembly.

    I’m having an issue w/ print-layout for cut sheets in Lightroom and how the printer is “interpreting” that.  The print preview is wonky, and it is doing weird “scaling” things to the images.  Never seen anything like it.   I’m very familiar w/ Epson drivers and the LR print module, so this has me stumped and I don’t “think” it is user error.  I’m going to delete and reinstall the driver tomorrow.   Roll paper printing is very nice and working fine.  I’m using Epson’s Legacy Baryta and Platine for dialing-in purposes, since OEM ICC profiles for those come in the driver package – and no 3rd party folk have ICC profiles yet.  The Epson profiles are decent and I’m getting a good screen to print match with the standard printer evaluation files I use.

    Rand

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    Rand Scott Adams
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    Re: New series Epson Printers!
    Reply #1 on: March 1, 2020 at 12:18 am

    This board has been really wonky.  I don’t know where my post went w/ the photos in it.  Just disappeared.  And I tried several times yesterday to start a new thread, with zero success.  I’d hit submit, and then everything just went away.  No error messages, no nothing.  Gremlins?

    Rand

     

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    Tommy Weir
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    Reply #2 on: March 1, 2020 at 12:15 pm

    I had a similar experience Rand with a different thread, posts never went up despite appearing to and me seeing them in the chain of posts.  Then gone the next day.

    I’d love to see the photographs.  Just got a quote from my supplier for my P7500 (the EU designation).

     

    Christopher Sanderson
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    Reply #3 on: March 1, 2020 at 1:33 pm

    Re Forum wonkiness. Acknowledged! Please see my thread here

    Tommy Weir
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    Reply #4 on: March 1, 2020 at 1:57 pm

    Cheers Christopher, will follow up if it happens again as you suggest.

    Rand Scott Adams
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    Re: New series Epson Printers!
    Reply #5 on: March 1, 2020 at 5:09 pm

    Chris,

    Thanks!  Glad I’m not losing what little mind I have left!  🙂

    Rand

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    Reply #6 on: March 1, 2020 at 5:21 pm

    UPDATE:   Print layout issue resolved.  I deleted and reinstalled the driver pack and all is well. 

    And Tom, I didn’t respond to your question about MK/PK ink.  They are separate channels now!  No switching.

    The biggest difference operations-wise with this new printer is that all of the particulars re paper type, size, caliper-thickness, platen gap, suction are all a function of the settings in the printer itself and you can’t ignore them in favor of a driver-only approach.  Those driver settings that are available need to be in sync with the settings in the printer.  I thought this would be a pain in the butt, but it isn’t.   The loading operation/function of the printer walks you through each option in a logical way on the large-ish LCD while you are loading paper – either roll or cut sheets.  And then (for me) by using print templates in the LR print module it makes keeping things synced up a breeze.  It won’t take long for this to be second nature.  And, the printer allows you to create, register and name 30 additional “paper types” for use with 3rd party papers.  Plenty, I think.

    I made my first non-test prints this morning and am very pleased with the result on Legacy Baryta and Legacy Fibre papers.  Nice to not have “ink switching” going on!

    Now it’s time to get some custom ICC profiles in the works.

    Rand

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    Christopher Sanderson
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    Re: New series Epson Printers!
    Reply #7 on: March 1, 2020 at 7:09 pm

    I have found the lost topic from Rand which I will attempt to publish. It is a little redundant at this point and confusingly it will show today’s date. I may try to blend with this Topic. Apologies for all this. Crazy making…

    Rand Scott Adams
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    Reply #8 on: March 1, 2020 at 7:10 pm

    My Epson SC P 7570 24″ printer arrived today.  I purchased through B&H using their PayBoo card and saved the sales tax here in CA.  What is nice about this is that the sales tax is “paid” but then refunded, so that I’m not obligated to report it on my tax returns as tax not paid to CA.  Second, re B&H, the shipping was free via ABF shipping.  Since I’m a residential address I was concerned about “tail gate” fees, etc., to just get it to the ground.  Well, I should not have worried.  Turns out it is free “white glove” shipping service and not only did the shipper get it down off the semi-truck, they brought the palleted printer (it’s BIG) right to and through my front door to the area I’d cleared for setting it up.  So, kudos to both B&H and ABF.  Could not have gone smoother.

    I had four friends come over to help.  The packaging was excellent and the instructions had their own little “port door” in the box so as to get them out first.  Nice thinking Epson.  The legs/wheels/stand goes together with six allen bolts.  Easy peasy.  Then following very carefully the instructions on how lift it and where everyone should place their hands, four of us lifted it up, and one of us was on the ground guiding the locator pins into the bottom of the printer.  Two wing-bolts w/ washers  and it was all assembled.  Removed all the packing / tape, etc., and rolled it into my little studio/office.  Fit perfectly.  The set-up instructions are complete, and easy to follow.

    I got the ink carts loaded, the latest firmware and driver package installed without incident.  Loaded a roll of Epson Legacy Baryta.  Nice loading sysstem.  I then did a nozzle check and a bi-directional head alignment successfully.  The starter carts on this printer are even “more” “starter-ish” than other Epsons I’ve owned.  After initial load, two of the carts are already showing the status monitors “conservative” “low ink” warning.  So, ordered those two carts for starters.  One of the nice things about this printer is that carts are available in three sizes, 150 ml, 220 ml, and 350 ml.  For a relatively low volume printer such as am I, it’s nice to be able to put the smaller ones in there – even though the price per ml is higher, I still prefer not having the carts in there for “too long” after their expiry dates.  And if I find I’m using some colors faster than the others, I can size appropriately.

    I then printed two standard print evaluation files, using OEM Epson ICC profile for Legacy Baryta that came in the driver package.  The prints looked like they should on my 4700k Solux illuminated magnetic wall, at the screen to print settings I’ve been using w/ my SC P 5000 printer / NEC PA 302w SVII.  NICE, though what I expected.

    Excuse the crappy iPhone photos, color balance is miserable and I didn’t bother to mess w/ these re trying to make them look “right.”

    On the photo below, ignore the SC P 20000 tag on the end of the paper roll coming out of the printer.  I used a remainder partial roll of Legacy Baryta that I’d used in a P 20000 printer that I have access to.  The markings are from the “keep track of paper used” settings.  The SC P 7570 “recognized” and used that info in its tracking of this roll, by the way.  Nice.

    So far, so good.  Done for today, more testing tomorrow.

    Rand

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    Re: New series Epson Printers!
    Reply #9 on: March 1, 2020 at 7:11 pm

    My Epson SC P 7570 24″ printer arrived today.  I purchased through B&H using their PayBoo card and saved the sales tax here in CA.  What is nice about this is that the sales tax is “paid” but then refunded, so that I’m not obligated to report it on my tax returns as tax not paid to CA.  Second, re B&H, the shipping was free via ABF shipping.  Since I’m a residential address I was concerned about “tail gate” fees, etc., to just get it to the ground.  Well, I should not have worried.  Turns out it is free “white glove” shipping service and not only did the shipper get it down off the semi-truck, they brought the palleted printer (it’s BIG) right to and through my front door to the area I’d cleared for setting it up.  So, kudos to both B&H and ABF.  Could not have gone smoother.

    I had four friends come over to help.  The packaging was excellent and the instructions had their own little “port door” in the box so as to get them out first.  Nice thinking Epson.  The legs/wheels/stand goes together with six allen bolts.  Easy peasy.  Then following very carefully the instructions on how lift it and where everyone should place their hands, four of us lifted it up, and one of us was on the ground guiding the locator pins into the bottom of the printer.  Two wing-bolts w/ washers  and it was all assembled.  Removed all the packing / tape, etc., and rolled it into my little studio/office.  Fit perfectly.  The set-up instructions are complete, and easy to follow.

    I got the ink carts loaded, the latest firmware and driver package installed without incident.  Loaded a roll of Epson Legacy Baryta.  Nice loading sysstem.  I then did a nozzle check and a bi-directional head alignment successfully.  The starter carts on this printer are even “more” “starter-ish” then other Epsons I’ve owned.  After initial load, two of the carts are already showing the status monitors “conservative” “low ink” warning.  So, ordered those two carts for starters.  One of the nice things about this printer is that carts are available in three sizes, 150 ml, 22o ml, and 350 ml.  For a relatively low volume printer such as am I, it’s nice to be able to put the smaller ones in there – even though the price per ml is higher, I still prefer not having the carts in there for “too long” after their expiry dates.  And if I find I’m using some colors faster than the others, I can size appropriately.

    I then printed two standard print evaluation files, using OEM Epson ICC profile for Legacy Baryta that came in the driver package.  The prints looked like they should on my 4700k magnetic wall, at the screen to print settings I’ve been using w/ my SC P 5000 printer.  NICE, though what I expected.

    Excuse the crappy iPhone photos, color balance is miserable and I didn’t bother to mess w/ these re trying to make them look “right.”

     

    On the photo below, ignore the SC P 20000 tag on the end of the paper roll coming out of the printer.  I used a remainder partial roll of Legacy Baryta that I’d used in a P 20000 printer that I have access to.  The markings are from the “keep track of paper used” settings.  The SC P 7570 “recognized” and used that info in its tracking of this roll, by the way.  Nice.

    That’s as far as I got for today.  Looking good.  More testing tomorrow.

    Rand

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    Dave Chew
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    Re: New series Epson Printers!
    Reply #10 on: March 2, 2020 at 11:12 am

    Rand,

    Thank you for posting. My 7900 is getting close to retirement (the orange channel has a few dropped nozzles I cannot get back). It is now over 10 years old, so no complaints here.

    I am probably headed down the replacement path for the 44″ version. IF I can negotiate the beast up a flight of stairs with a 180 degree turn!

    Dave

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    Rand Scott Adams
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    Re: New series Epson Printers!
    Reply #11 on: March 2, 2020 at 9:12 pm

    UPDATE: Print layout issue resolved. I deleted and reinstalled the driver pack and all is well.

    Rand

    NO IT WASN’T!

    I started having the scaling problem again this morning, in LR, so I tested printing out of Photoshop, too, just in case it was a LR/Printer/Driver “thing.”   And I “think” I have it figured out / solved.  And JRSmit alluded to it, but I didn’t tumble to what he meant.  OK, this printer is “different” from other Epson printers.  Several paper adjustments (platen gap, thickness) no longer appear in the driver – only in the printer’s menu.  When loading the paper in the printer it walks you through paper size, type, and provides sub menu opportunities for selecting platen gap, thickness, suction, and paper feed offset.  AND THE TRICK IS (to prevent the weird image offset and scaling issue) THAT IN THE DRIVER, IN THE DROP DOWN FOR PAPER TYPE, THERE IS A SETTING AT THE TOP THAT SAYS “USE PRINTER SETTINGS.” (UPS)   After burning up a lot of paper and ink, (the manual is useless in this regard) I finally used the UPS option in the driver and the prints were properly printed via the LR print module.  I’m still not getting a full “print preview” – just an image of the lower left corner of the image showing borders and where the image “starts” relative to those borders (I don’t like that).  But prints are coming out correctly laid out on the paper and the actual image size on the paper is spot on, w/o any printer induced scaling happening.  I read through the printer user manual several times before even receiving the printer and saw nothing to indicate that this is apparently ‘necessary’ in order for the driver and printer not to get into a urinating contest.   You still set paper size (even though that’s redundant w/ printer settings) and orientation in the driver, along with resolution, high speed on/off, etc. So, that’s where I am at the moment.  If there was justice in the world, Epson would replace the paper and ink I wasted due to what I consider to be really poor documentation / explication of “how this all works” when printing through LR / PS (and perhaps other applications).   I’m still nervous, and will keep testing once my ink resupply arrives tomorrow.

    And just for completeness, I’m printing out of LR / PS the latest versions from the cloud subscription, and I’m on a Windows 10, Puget Systems PC with plenty of capability.

    Rand

    PS – In the midst of all this sorting out, once I had it working as it should, I printed an image w/ a chrome sculpture, dark water, deep shadows, and lots of mid tones as well.  I printed the carefully soft proofed file twice.  Once normally, and once w/ the new “black overcoat” (BO) option checked in the driver.  It makes a significant difference.  The BO print has significantly more “apparent Dmax and visual depth” – and “seems like” what I’m seeing is expanded tonal range.  So, kudos to Epson for this advance in technology.  I’m also seeing little to zero gloss differential in prints I’ve made so far, even viewing from oblique angles.  Might be my imagination, but I don’t think so.

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