Image appearance in Capture One not matching appearance in PS

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  • Elliot Puritz
    Elliot Puritz
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    on: January 13, 2020 at 9:18 pm

    Since installing Capture One 20 I have noticed a disturbing mismatch between the images as they appear in Capture One and as they appear in Photoshop.  I have checked the default editing choices in PS and they appear to be correct.  I have experimented a bit, and regardless of what profile I use to edit the profile in Capture One, when the file is exported to PS using the same ICC profile and opened in PS using the same ICC profile the image as such appears in Capture One is a bit darker and more saturated than the identical image as opened in PS after transfer.  Needless to say the mismatch is disturbing.

    Has anyone else noted the same phenomenon?  Any suggestions as to how to rectify the situation.  I mailed Capture One Support about a week ago and thus far they have not felt the need to respond…very disappointing.

    I much appreciate the help.  Perhaps there is a way to reach Drew or someone else at Phase One directly.

    Elliot

     

    Kevin Raber
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    Re: Image appearance in Capture One not matching appearance in PS
    Reply #1 on: January 13, 2020 at 9:57 pm

    That’s strange as in all my years with CApture One I have had perfect matches.  What platform and OS are you on?  I have an email into Drew but haven’t heard from him.  They must be busy on some kind of project. I’ll mention this when I hear from him.

     

    Kevin Raber
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    Elliot Puritz
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    Re: Image appearance in Capture One not matching appearance in PS
    Reply #2 on: January 13, 2020 at 11:49 pm

    I went back and very carefully reviewed my work flow Kevin.  I then consulted the Capture One 20 Tutorials.

    I created a process recipe with the criteria desired, and when I exported to PS the on screen appearances matched perfectly!  So, what was the problem previously?

    As you of course know, there are at least two ways to export to Photoshop.

    In previous instances I had bypassed the process recipes and simply used Image>Edit With>Adobe Photoshop>etc, etc. NO match.

    Once the process recipe was correctly created, the Image>Edit With>Adobe Photoshop worked perfectly…perfect match.

    I wonder if somehow the two image exporting methods are linked Kevin and that one should set the parameters via the output tab before using the Image>Edit With> etc. method.

    Incidentally, is there a reason that the px/in defaults to 300?

    Thanks for helping Kevin.  Perhaps Drew will have an explanation.

    John Sadowsky
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    Re: Image appearance in Capture One not matching appearance in PS
    Reply #3 on: January 14, 2020 at 6:53 pm

    Very interesting.

    If I understand C1 correctly (which is a moderately big IF) ….  The C1 process recipes are both selectable and checkable.  The checks determine which recipes are used for export.  The selection determines which recipe is being proofed in the viewer when you have the Recipe Proofing (eye glasses in the upper right) selected.  What do you see when Recipe Proofing is not selected?  Go to View Menu =>Proof Profile.  If Proofing is selected you get a dialog that tells you that you are proofing your selected recipe.  If Proofing is not selected then you can select the recipe to be used for viewing when not Proofing (at least that’s how I understand it).

    Is it possible that you had a Recipe Proofing selected with a printing recipe or something like that?  Also, check what you have selected in View Menu =>Proof Profile (with Proofing deselected).

    From reading the C1 User Guide, it is not clear that recipes are even used when you select “Edit With.”  (Of course, your adjustments are applied.)  When I use Edit With from C1 to Affinity, I get an Affinity dialog box that asks me to select the file format and color space for editing in Affinity – regardless of what recipe I have selected or checked in C1.

    I have a 16-bit ProPhoto recipe which is what I set the View => Proof Profile to.  That way, what I see in C1 (with Proofing not selected) should match what I see in Affinity or Photoshop.

    On a tangential issue: The C1 documentation apparently does not reveal its internal working color space.  It only says Capture One works in a very large color space, similar to that captured by camera sensors.  That’s not very informative.  (Of course, they would use a large gamut working space – like ProPhoto.)  But it shouldn’t make much difference.  Your monitor has a smaller gamut than either ProPhoto or whatever C1 uses, but it color-managed (with its own ICC profile).  Unless you are using an ICC profile that is smaller than your monitor’s gamut (like a printer profile), you shouldn’t see any difference.

    300 px/in is just a standard stuffing value in image files – it doesn’t really mean anything.  The “size” of your image in inches is the pixel dimensions divided by the resolution.  For example, if the pixel width is 8000, then 300 px/in corresponds to a 26-inch wide print.  When you actually make a print, you select both the image size and resolution, and that then resizes the digital image to the appropriate number of pixels.

    JSS

    Kevin Raber
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    Re: Image appearance in Capture One not matching appearance in PS
    Reply #4 on: January 14, 2020 at 7:24 pm

    John, I think Elliot figured it out on his own.  He was opening the image through Edit In menu choice and not outputting with a recipe then opening Photoshop.  Quite simply you need to use a process recipe to set color space, resolution, bit depth and if using JPEG the image quality.  C1 will process numerous images at the same time but only the one that is highlighted will be used for soft proofing.

    Kevin Raber
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    Elliot Puritz
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    Re: Image appearance in Capture One not matching appearance in PS
    Reply #5 on: January 14, 2020 at 8:43 pm

    John:  Thanks for responding.  As Kevin noted, I believe I figured “it out”.  However, I am still interested in why Capture One provides the “Edit with” option. When would on consider using that method of moving an image to another editor?

    If one reads information about process recipes and watches the C1 tutorial on the subject, it is immediately apparent how powerful “process recipes” is and how many ways this part of the program can be used.

    On another subject:  Kevin has certainly provided a platform that allows many of us to access information driven by experience and informed by necessity!  Thanks Kevin!

    Elliot

    Kevin Raber
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    Re: Image appearance in Capture One not matching appearance in PS
    Reply #6 on: January 14, 2020 at 10:39 pm

    Elliot Your welcome.  I’ll pursue this further when I can get ahold of Drew.

    I have not had a color mismatch from C1 to PS in. many many years.  I don’t even think about it.  My standard process recipe is ProPhotoat 16 bit at 360ppi.  The only thing I change in the recipe is where to store the final image. I sometimes have the images output as tiff and store them in the capture folder so the tiff is the same sequence as its raw file.  Then I can easily per session folder select all files and just filter the tiff if I want.  Other times I process them out to specialty folders.

    I’ll try to document this a bit better ina. future article and video.

    I’ll get back to you when I hear from Drew or maybe he’ll even post a response.

    Kevin Raber
    CEO & Publisher of PhotoPXL.com and Rockhopperworkshops.com

    Elliot Puritz
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    Re: Image appearance in Capture One not matching appearance in PS
    Reply #7 on: January 17, 2020 at 5:00 pm

    Kevin was generous enough to review my work flow in depth including the correct way to place imported images into the appropriate sessions folders.  I reviewed all of the options in the process recipe and reset those that were possibly askew.

     

    Bottom line:  Problem solved!  Images in PS match those in Capture One perfectly.  No problem with the software, but problems with the operator!

     

    Thanks Kevin.

     

    Elliot

    Mike Nelson Pedde
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    Re: Image appearance in Capture One not matching appearance in PS
    Reply #8 on: January 17, 2020 at 5:16 pm

    From reading the C1 User Guide, it is not clear that recipes are even used when you select “Edit With.” (Of course, your adjustments are applied.) When I use Edit With from C1 to Affinity, I get an Affinity dialog box that asks me to select the file format and color space for editing in Affinity – regardless of what recipe I have selected or checked in C1.

    Further to John’s comment, C1 has both ‘Open With’ and ‘Edit With’ options. The difference is that ‘Open With’ will open the raw file, whereas ‘Edit With’ will open a .tif file generated by C1. If you try Open With using something like Nik/DxO Silver Efex Pro, you’ll get an error message saying that you’re attempting to open an unsubstantiated file format.

    And yes, image resolution only works with something that has actual dimensions (i.e. a print). A pixel doesn’t have a given size, so pixels/inch for a digital image really has no meaning.

    Mike.

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    Elliot Puritz
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    Re: Image appearance in Capture One not matching appearance in PS
    Reply #9 on: January 17, 2020 at 6:53 pm

    Thanks Mike.

    I was aware of the differences between Edit With and Open With.

    The interesting fact is that in the process recipes, as you know, there is only the option to Open With….and if one has the other parameters set as one desires, the file will open in PS and not in either LR or ACR.

    After corresponding with Kevin my sense is that there is, despite the excellent tutorials available, continuing confusion concerning both the best way to import files into sessions ( more specifically, the best way to organize the folders ) and the delineation of process recipes.  Perhaps when time allows, a presentation on PXL will be forthcoming.

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