HP Latex Giclées?

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  • Jarred Decker
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    on: May 11, 2024 at 5:41 pm

    Hi there, Im wondering if anyone can provide some info. I have always read that latex ink is NOT archival and will not last very long without fading. I am seeing more and more fine art printers claiming to do giclées and fine art reproduction using HP large format latex printers. Has the technology come this far? Also I’m curious about the color gamut vs printing aqueous.

    Andrew Rodney
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    Reply #1 on: May 13, 2024 at 11:43 am

    First, tell the printer that the claim (and use of giclées) is utter nonsense and meaningless.

    Find a profile, and I’d be happy to map the color gamut in 3D (or 2D) and provide a gamut volume value, along with any other profile you wish to examine.

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    Reply #2 on: May 13, 2024 at 11:33 pm

    I think it’s more about telling my customers. Most of my customers are artists and they use the word constantly. Regardless of the actual definition, im not comfortable telling them it’s hogwash. I guess what I would rather tell them is something to the affect of archival quality of latex inks. We can leave the work giclee out of it. But for my customers it simply means archival media and archival inks printed at a high resolution. If they come to me and speak of a competitor that is using latex inks I want to know what I should tell them! Ive had a lot of trouble finding info online about the archival quality, though HP of course claims their machines are fantastic for fine art reproduction. In my years, Ive never actually met someone in the field who uses an HP Latex printer for fine art. I figured there was a reason for that!

    Good call with the 3d mapping of the profiles, I’ll have to search for some.

    Thanks

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    Reply #3 on: May 14, 2024 at 12:00 pm

    Archival,” like Giclee, is an undefined marking buzzword. What is archival is what is gathered from science and testing found here as one example:

    http://www.wilhelm-research.com/

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    Jarred Decker
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    Reply #4 on: May 14, 2024 at 12:09 pm

    My point is I cant tell a customer that. They would likely think I was out of my mind, or likely dont give a crap. I want to be able to tell people it is rated at 100 years because thats what people tell them archival means and thats what they expect. Im not interested in educating them to the full extent of what archival or giclee means, I would just get a blank stare (I assume). They want to know their print will last a their lifetime. According to the testing done to create the standard.

    From what I had heard and little info I found online, latex inks are knows to degrade very quickly. But the research I have found is a few years old, so I was curious if technology had improved where suddenly HP is claiming these inks will meet those 100 year test standards.

    I appreciate the link and will dig into that site later, maybe I will find something in reference to latex. The articles do appear to be pretty old though.

    I have been searching and havent been able to find one ICC profile for latex print canvas, but will keep looking.

     

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    Reply #5 on: May 14, 2024 at 12:15 pm

    There is no full extent of what archival or giclee means; that’s my point. You can tell a customer anything you wish: true, backed up with data and facts, or untrue.

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    Reply #6 on: May 14, 2024 at 12:18 pm

    Also see:

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    Jarred Decker
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    Reply #7 on: May 14, 2024 at 12:27 pm

    I get that. But what the vast majority of my customers THINK it means, is the archival testing methods used that vendors apply to their media says it will last 100 years. When I tell a customer something is archival it’s because Canon and Breathing Color both say it will last 100 years between the inks and the media. Thats enough for me. I don’t make the ink or the canvas, I am relying on them to back that.

    All I am asking is if there is anything that says latex inks meet these standards. Breathing Color now has a canvas they say meet these standards, for latex, uv, and eco solvent inks. But I cannot find anything in reference to 100+ year latex inks.

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    Reply #8 on: May 14, 2024 at 1:46 pm

    If the data doesn’t exist, the bottom line in what your customers believe becomes: “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”-Carl Sagan

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    Reply #9 on: May 14, 2024 at 1:56 pm

    Woah ok I guess you are saying the data doesnt exist!

     

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    Reply #10 on: May 14, 2024 at 2:05 pm

    Check the sites provided. Contact the authors.

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