[Andrew Rodney Participant Posts: 330]

Creating Artistic Photographs 
Film to Digital Paradigm Shift: Part 1

on: May 26, 2021 at 9:27 pm

Terry Gipson wrote:

if one does not understand this aspect of digital photography, then their opinion needs to be critically considered.

Yup.

But, how does that iPod create a JPEG? If one does can’t explain that part of digital photography, then their opinion needs to be critically considered. <g>.

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[Terry Gipson Silver Member Posts: 33]

Re: Creating Artistic Photographs 
Film to Digital Paradigm Shift: Part 1

Reply #1 on: May 26, 2021 at 9:39 pm

I could not agree more for the majority of us on this forum.

There are beginners and those focused on smartphone photography who do not appreciate the nuances of more advanced amateurs as well as professionals.

Those nuances take many years of experience and work to achieve.

Terry Colorado USA [email protected] www.terrygipsonphotography.com

[Mark D Segal Silver Member Posts: 837]

Re: Creating Artistic Photographs 
Film to Digital Paradigm Shift: Part 1

Reply #2 on: May 26, 2021 at 9:51 pm

Well, not too pout too fine a point on the non-linearity of human experience, there are highly competent, experienced photographers who appreciate all the nuances of fine photography and don’t hesitate to use a cell-phone if that’s what they have handy and see a good photo op. No-one is talking about making salon-sized prints from a phone photo, but the quality from the latest models never ceases to amaze. Judging from the apps coming to market, the mainstream application industry is continuously expanding the potential of this kind of photography.

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[Terry Gipson]

Re: Creating Artistic Photographs 
Film to Digital Paradigm Shift: Part 1

Reply #3 on: May 26, 2021 at 10:00 pm

“not too pout too fine a point on the non-linearity of human experience”

Human experience is indeed individual and non-linear. The only linearity is over time in a macro-analysis of broader trends of population expression and over the life of an individual where a certain pattern of movement can be ascertained. Otherwise I would argue that the concept of linearity has no basis in the experience of art except in retrospect.

However it is an excellent point you make. I should be more cognizant of the breadth and diversity of photographers.

Regardless, it is the quality of the photographer and not the equipment that makes one a master, even though the equipment is progressing exponentially.

I have heard it said that what matters is what the photographer does with the image from their camera. That adage (whose reference I can’t remember) has guided me the last 10 years. It is those who have become a master of their work or who are striving to become a master that I recognize and follow.

I am biased toward those striving to better their work.

Terry Colorado USA [email protected] www.terrygipsonphotography.com

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[Mark Crean Participant Posts: 27]

Re: Creating Artistic Photographs 
Film to Digital Paradigm Shift: Part 1

Reply #4 on: May 29, 2021 at 6:53 am

Interesting subject. One point is that both ‘professionals’ (if there still are any) and amateurs use the same kit these days, so the point becomes how to make one’s images stand out from the 1.4 trillion or so made each year while also staying true to oneself. Technical excellence alone is not enough. Besides, pretty well all modern cameras and lenses are capable of technically excellent exposures if used well and can produce prints ahead of anything on 35mm film. For myself, I try to avoid the overprocessed, oversmooth digital look one can see on 1001 images on social media or Flickr. I’ll take a sense of being there ahead of all that. Behind this, I think, is a need to find something authentic in an age of mechanical reproduction, as the man said. No easy answers, but some folks have the knack. Usually, I suspect, it’s not about the post-processing but the composition, framing, understanding of light and the ability to spot the moment – the skills that don’t depend on technology at all. Steve Gosling’s essay on here recently was a real lesson in that. Just 2 cents for the debate …

[Mark D Segal Silver Member Posts: 837]

Re: Creating Artistic Photographs 
Film to Digital Paradigm Shift: Part 1

Reply #5 on: May 29, 2021 at 10:42 am

Hi Mark,

Yes, good thoughts. I’ll only take issue with one point, where you say “it’s not about the post-processing”. All the other things you talk about are necessary ingredients to producing a good photograph, but most of time, at least in my experience, competent post-processing is also a necessary ingredient. This, by the way, was also true during the film era, except now we have so much control – and easier control – over it.

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[Mark Crean]

Re: Creating Artistic Photographs 
Film to Digital Paradigm Shift: Part 1

Reply #6 on: May 29, 2021 at 4:04 pm

Mark D Segal wrote:

Hi Mark,

Yes, good thoughts. I’ll only take issue with one point, where you say “it’s not about the post-processing”. All the other things you talk about are necessary ingredients to producing a good photograph, but most of time, at least in my experience, competent post-processing is also a necessary ingredient. This, by the way, was also true during the film era, except now we have so much control – and easier control – over it.

Oh yes I agree. I guess what I was trying to say is that competent processing depends on the other things first or there is nothing worth processing! I’ve often found of my images that the ones that work well don’t need much PP (though they definitely need some). If I find I am doing a lot of PP on an image, it’s usually a sign that the image isn’t up to snuff to begin with and/or I haven’t worked out what I am trying to express. If one starts PP with a good idea of what one is trying to say it always seems to go easier.

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[Mark D Segal Silver Member Posts: 837]

Re: Creating Artistic Photographs 
Film to Digital Paradigm Shift: Part 1

Reply #7 on: May 29, 2021 at 5:59 pm

True enough!

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