[Jeremy Roussak Gold Member Posts: 961]

Capture One’s NEW License Options (Terrible)

on: June 18, 2023 at 12:38 pm

Tommy Weir wrote:

I’m sticking with C1 23 for now, my perpetual license is still current, I’ll see how it goes. I’m enjoying it with the latest version of Nik by the way, recommended.

Do you find the latest version of Nik (SFX Pro in particular) offers much of an improvement over the previous version? Wondering whether to bother upgrading.

Jeremy

[Arun Shah Participant Posts: 3]

Re: Capture One’s NEW License Options (Terrible)

Reply #1 on: September 15, 2023 at 6:22 pm

I used Lightroom for several years, and now for a long time Capture One. The nutty license options turned me off, and reading eminent photographers extoll Lightroom, I took another look.

Boring…

But then beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What really matters is how proficient one is with the software to get the most out of it. I will pay what I have to and stay with C1 and Affinity.

[Mark D Segal Silver Member Posts: 871]

Re: Capture One’s NEW License Options (Terrible)

Reply #2 on: September 15, 2023 at 6:49 pm

What really matters is whether the software has the features and can deliver the quality most important to you, once you learn how to use it. Whether it’s “boring”, or “beautiful” whatever those things mean, to me would be quite beside the point. But of course “chacun à son goût”. You are of course correct in saying proficiency matters, but one can become proficient with any product provided its design allows for that, and I would say Lightroom and other raw converters do. One more factor is simply comfort with what one is most accustomed to, and that I think drives lots of choice.

Mark D Segal Author: "Scanning Workflows with SilverFast 8, SilverFast HDR, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom and Adobe Photoshop". Please check the PhotoPXL Store for availability.

[Kevin Raber Silver Member Posts: 1251]

Re: Capture One’s NEW License Options (Terrible)

Reply #3 on: September 16, 2023 at 12:08 am

As a former VP of Phase One which makes Capture One I was appalled as you can probably tell from this thread at the new pricing system.  Talk about making something complicated.  I switched to Lightroom, and I certainly don’t find it boring.  I feel liberated and I have a catalog the likes of which C1 would never have handled. The workflow and masking in LR is incredible.  I print right to Imageprint from LR.  So, to me who knows C1 intimately LR does the trick and then some.  Once again there is no better or worse.  Use what works for you and get the job done.  I have no regrets about where I am today.  More on LR and my conversion will be coming soon.

[Mark Hopgood Participant Posts: 3]

Re: Capture One’s NEW License Options (Terrible)

Reply #4 on: September 16, 2023 at 2:26 am

I find boring a strange term to use when describing a piece of editing software.  Efficiency is important, however, as Mark Segal pointed out, this can be achieved by using said software often enough to become proficient.  I have been a long time C1 user, version 6 from memory, but their new licensing model is too expensive and unfair.  I currently use C1 22 and will do so for as long as it works.  I have however been trying other software to determine if it is possible to change permanently.  I currently use Photo Mechanic Plus as my database and have been trying Iridient Developer, Affinity and Photoshop to edit my images. Affinity has a poor RAW converter in my opinion so I only use it if I need a pixel editor. Personally I would rather use PS than LR, I use the TK9 panel to good effect.  My only downside now is I don’t have access to virtual copies so therefore have to make different versions.  As I always exported my edited images from C1 as TIFF’s I was not really saving on space.

I have been receiving a lot more advertising from C1 so I wonder if they are feeling the pinch.

[Leon Droby Participant Posts: 3]

Re: Capture One’s NEW License Options (Terrible)

Reply #5 on: September 16, 2023 at 7:58 am

Kevin Raber wrote:

As a former VP of Phase One which makes Capture One I was appalled as you can probably tell from this thread at the new pricing system. Talk about making something complicated. I switched to Lightroom, ….

With C1 moving to a subscription model (not to mention having a slow DB and not honoring the aspect ratio of the captured image), I might be moving back to Lightroom.

A while back, you mentioned trying to convert your C1 catalog to Lightroom.  I was wondering if you found an elegant way to convert?  While not huge by some standards, I don’t look forward to keywording and color/star rating 89k images manually.

[Kevin Raber Silver Member Posts: 1251]

Re: Capture One’s NEW License Options (Terrible)

Reply #6 on: September 16, 2023 at 8:06 am

This is what I use.  Depending on the size it can take a while, but it has done a great job.  https://cyme.io/avalanche-for-capture-one/  

I’ll do more on this as an article.

 

[Leon Droby Participant Posts: 3]

Re: Capture One’s NEW License Options (Terrible)

Reply #7 on: September 16, 2023 at 8:17 am

Thx. Looking forward to the article.

[Arun Shah Participant Posts: 3]

Re: Capture One’s NEW License Options (Terrible)

Reply #8 on: September 16, 2023 at 8:44 pm

Mark D Segal wrote:

What really matters is whether the software has the features and can deliver the quality most important to you, once you learn how to use it. Whether it’s “boring”, or “beautiful” whatever those things mean, to me would be quite beside the point. But of course “chacun à son goût”. You are of course correct in saying proficiency matters, but one can become proficient with any product provided its design allows for that, and I would say Lightroom and other raw converters do. One more factor is simply comfort with what one is most accustomed to, and that I think drives lots of choice.

Btw, I did enjoy your book on scanning workflows for Silverfast 8. I used an Epson Perfection V850 to convert thousands of film photos to digital. Is there a later edition for Silverfast 9? I did get one from the author of the software.

I am aware of what is involved in software design owning a cybersecurity platform currently deployed in over 20 countries with millions of users.

[Mark D Segal Silver Member Posts: 871]

Re: Capture One’s NEW License Options (Terrible)

Reply #9 on: September 17, 2023 at 12:04 am

Arun Shah wrote:

Mark D Segal wrote:

What really matters is whether the software has the features and can deliver the quality most important to you, once you learn how to use it. Whether it’s “boring”, or “beautiful” whatever those things mean, to me would be quite beside the point. But of course “chacun à son goût”. You are of course correct in saying proficiency matters, but one can become proficient with any product provided its design allows for that, and I would say Lightroom and other raw converters do. One more factor is simply comfort with what one is most accustomed to, and that I think drives lots of choice.

Btw, I did enjoy your book on scanning workflows for Silverfast 8. I used an Epson Perfection V850 to convert thousands of film photos to digital. Is there a later edition for Silverfast 9? I did get one from the author of the software.

I am aware of what is involved in software design owning a cybersecurity platform currently deployed in over 20 countries with millions of users.

Hello Arun, Glad you enjoyed my SilverFast 8 e-book. Mr. Zahorsky decided to write his own book for SilverFast 9, and I had moved on from using scanners and SilverFast altogether by the time he issued SilverFast 9, so I did not launch into a new project of updating the book. I am now digitizing film using my Sony a7r4 in a set-up that good friend Christopher Campbell and I designed and implemented. I described that set-up along with the considerations that went into it in a detailed article on this website. This was not a cheap undertaking, but the operational efficiency, the possibilities it opened up and the results make it worthwhile. That said, I think SilverFast remains a fine product for those using scanners.

The field you are in sounds fascinating, and so relevant in today’s international computing and communications environment. I can only imagine it being a level of complexity and changeability well beyond what we are discussing here!

Mark D Segal Author: "Scanning Workflows with SilverFast 8, SilverFast HDR, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom and Adobe Photoshop". Please check the PhotoPXL Store for availability.

[Arun Shah Participant Posts: 3]

Re: Capture One’s NEW License Options (Terrible)

Reply #10 on: October 15, 2023 at 12:30 pm

I recd an email wherein they offered me a loyalty discount for Subscription..

Currently they have a 30% off on subscription of $179 = $125

So I was able to switch to subscription for $89.50 / annual + tax.  I cannot figure their math, but that is what it was

[Kevin Raber Silver Member Posts: 1251]

Re: Capture One’s NEW License Options (Terrible)

Reply #11 on: October 16, 2023 at 9:19 am

Capture One math is a whole new thing.  Who ever cam up with their crazy pricing scheme is really out of touch.  I was pretty angry back when this was announced and I was one of their most loyal users.  I have since switched to LR and have no regrets.  My catalog is over half a million and climbing and no hiccups.  It’s about time I do an update article on my adventures.

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